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  1. Published on: 20/09/2021 12:51 PMReported by: editor
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    The soaring price of wholesale gas is making the news and even causing further issues to supply chains already under pressure.

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  3. The PNP says:20/09/2021 02:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by editor View Post
    The soaring price of wholesale gas is making the news and even causing further issues to supply chains already under pressure..
    Time is right for those who have been relying on gas (a non-renewable fossil fuel) to have second thoughts and consider their carbon footprints. There are plenty of modern non-gas heating appliances available, that use a renewable carbon-neutral fuel!

  4. salus.populi says:20/09/2021 04:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Time is right for those who have been relying on gas (a non-renewable fossil fuel) to have second thoughts and consider their carbon footprints. There are plenty of modern non-gas heating appliances available, that use a renewable carbon-neutral fuel!
    I doubt than many who may be concerned about a rise in prices will have the funds to completely replace their heating system.

  5. The PNP says:20/09/2021 04:07 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    I doubt than many who may be concerned about a rise in prices will have the funds to completely replace their heating system.
    I had in mind an appliance like a woodstove with water-jacket, that simply plumbs into the existing heating system.

  6. onehorsetown2 says:20/09/2021 04:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    I had in mind an appliance like a woodstove with water-jacket, that simply plumbs into the existing heating system.
    Still costs money

  7. The PNP says:20/09/2021 04:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by onehorsetown2 View Post
    Still costs money
    What doesn't? I was pointing out that such an appliance can be added, without disturbing the existing boiler/radiator heating system. It allows the user to select which heat source they use on a day-to-day basis.

  8. millsey says:20/09/2021 04:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    What doesn't? I was pointing out that such an appliance can be added, without disturbing the existing boiler/radiator heating system. It allows the user to select which heat source they use on a day-to-day basis.
    Of course in your world it is as simple as that. How would they add the water loop to a new heat source and prevent overheating/ steam, where would they locate a burner and its fuel within distance to link it to existing plumbing? What would pump the water around?

    What would any gas company say about having a second source of heat in a closed loop most likely combi boiler?

  9. The PNP says:20/09/2021 05:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by millsey View Post
    Of course in your world it is as simple as that. How would they add the water loop to a new heat source and prevent overheating/ steam, where would they locate a burner and its fuel within distance to link it to existing plumbing? What would pump the water around?

    What would any gas company say about having a second source of heat in a closed loop most likely combi boiler?
    You would typically remove the living room gas fire and create a suitable inglenook for the stove in its place. The stove is connected into the existing heating system with a Dunsley Neutraliser - simples!

  10. millsey says:20/09/2021 05:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    You would typically remove the living room gas fire and create a suitable inglenook for the stove in its place. The stove is connected into the existing heating system with a Dunsley Neutraliser - simples!
    The Neutralizer costs between £390 and £470. Can you confirm this works with a combi boiler? What if there is no gas fire in the living room, e.g. someone living in an apartment?

    Your proposal is unsuitable for maybe 90 percent of existing residences, and the cost for those who could do this would be considerable, gas fitter, plumber building works and piping, neutralizer and the burner and the fuel itself, I reckon more investment than any likely price rises in the next 10 years.

  11. The PNP says:20/09/2021 06:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by millsey View Post
    The Neutralizer costs between £390 and £470. Can you confirm this works with a combi boiler? What if there is no gas fire in the living room, e.g. someone living in an apartment?

    Your proposal is unsuitable for maybe 90 percent of existing residences, and the cost for those who could do this would be considerable, gas fitter, plumber building works and piping, neutralizer and the burner and the fuel itself, I reckon more investment than any likely price rises in the next 10 years.
    It's all a matter of personal choice.....Let's not forget the investment adds equity to a property and then there's the attraction of a dual system to prospective purchasers when/if you move.

  12. millsey says:20/09/2021 06:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    It's all a matter of personal choice.....Let's not forget the investment adds equity to a property and then there's the attraction of a dual system to prospective purchasers when/if you move.

    It's not a valid personal choice for most people, given the cost, space and disruption required. It is really not "simples" as you claim at all. You have not actually answered any of the practical questions around setting up such an arrangement.

    I'm not asking you to, by the way, I just wish you would actually consider the implications of the agenda you push.

  13. The PNP says:20/09/2021 07:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by millsey View Post
    It's not a valid personal choice for most people, given the cost, space and disruption required. It is really not "simples" as you claim at all. You have not actually answered any of the practical questions around setting up such an arrangement.

    I'm not asking you to, by the way, I just wish you would actually consider the implications of the agenda you push.
    Hard to generalise, as properties all differ. I'd suggest anyone wanting to reduce their dependence on gas, should contact a stove supplier to arrange a free no-obligation site visit to explore the possibilities.

    N.B. Even a non-boiler stove can really reduce gas dependence/consumption. They chuck out so much heat, that the central heating can often be left off much of the time.

  14. ECHOEONE says:21/09/2021 08:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Hard to generalise, as properties all differ. I'd suggest anyone wanting to reduce their dependence on gas, should contact a stove supplier to arrange a free no-obligation site visit to explore the possibilities.

    N.B. Even a non-boiler stove can really reduce gas dependence/consumption. They chuck out so much heat, that the central heating can often be left off much of the time.
    If the stove drives radiators, most of the heat goes into the water jacket and not the room. An ok solution for 2 radiators max. Otherwise it ends up allot of endless piling in the wood and coal to keep the radiators hot. Not a magic bullet. Do you install stoves by any chance?

  15. salus.populi says:21/09/2021 10:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    It's all a matter of personal choice.....Let's not forget the investment adds equity to a property and then there's the attraction of a dual system to prospective purchasers when/if you move.
    40% of the population live in rented properties
    .
    Do you think many landlords would create an inglenook fireplace and install a stove so their tenants can save a few quid on their gas bill?

  16. Little Londoner says:21/09/2021 11:52 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    It's all a matter of personal choice.....
    Nothing to do with lining your pockets then? An advert is an advert no matter what spin you put on it. I could get just as much flannel from a gas system fitter or an electric system fitter.
    Surprised you haven't recommended a Tacx Trainer so all 80/90 year olds can get a bike and cycle away the hours in their dark unheated home.


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